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Monday, September 21, 2009

On DeafRead losing Bloggers

 Losing Contributors: There Goes the Neighborhood!

Of late more bloggers and vloggers have been announcing their leaving DeafRead. Some cited the influx of CI and oral blogs, others blamed the occasional mean-spirited respondent that "ruined the atmosphere" at DeafRead.com. Mostly, the latter reason referenced DeafVideo.tv.

This is sad, because when good v/bloggers leave, the neighborhood changes character.  With some of what's left,  I find myself clicking off in the middle of blogs or vlogs in annoyance and vowing to buy a timer so I can better control my derrière-numbing hours in front of the flat screen.

Alternative Deaf-centered Aggregator?

Don G. recently posted that he is jumping ship and mentioned a coming new aggregator that would be devoted to ASL Deaf issues. If memory serves me right, a similar idea was proposed at DeafRead last year: DeafSide. This clipping from Tayler's website describes it: (Tayler, April 2008)

"Tayler and Jared are announcing a new site that aggregates deaf blogs much in the same way DeafRead does. But there are differences. The blogs will focus on sign languages and Deaf culture. Instead of moderating posts, all posts will be published from selected blogs."

That made me think back to when I met Tayler, one of the founders of DeafRead. The first time was at a forum where he was a speaker and I asked a question: when would Deafread establish DeafSide to concentrate on more cultural Deaf topics?  He showed excitement in elaborating on the idea and it seemed that it would be developed soon.

Since then,, DeafVideo.TV demanded a lot of time and support, but a different type of vlogger started showing up: the clubroom bullshitters and gossipy chatterboxes. These people expounded on a variety of topics, usually wasting several minutes in greetings and everyday trivia before getting to the topic. Additionally, meanies would show up to skewer respondents or provoke flaming discussions. Little that was cultural, really, except for some colorful language being thrown back and forth. It became immensely popular so I suppose DeafSide never got the development it deserved.

To be fair, there were serious vloggers that contributed also. Issues were discussed in earnest and valuable points made, alas sometimes to be trashed by backbiters. Personality contests took over in many otherwise great vlogs. I felt this to be a lost effort, because many excellent issues never made it to the Hearing community to be appreciated; as they stayed in our little language community without captions.

The second occasion of meeting Tayler was at an informal breakfast a year later. Tayler told us how DeafRead began as a cross-country collaboration with Jared Evans. It was a remarkable accomplishment despite physical distance and deafness, which was happily obliterated by their use of modern communications via the Internet. The topic turned to how it could be ruined by people using it to tear down other people.

Tayler's normally optimistic personality turned pessimistic. "I was saddened by the mean comments on the question panel." He meant the rolling screen that ran alongside the webcast of presenters during the last Deaf Bloggers Symposium in California. A few used it not to post questions, but to vent, criticize and gossip about the presenters. His disappointment was profoundly evident, affecting everyone else at the table. The others tried to commiserate, sympathetically agreeing that "some could be that way". What could one say? Here was a New Age young Deaf man, discussing his life's creative accomplishments and appalled at how an unthinking few could trash it. The guidelines that were put in place were difficult to enforce, because people differed on their applications.

Tayler's Principles and Today's Realities

Part of the problem is Tayler's vision for a generalist, no-discrimination d/Deaf aggregator with few rules to keep up the positive quality of entries. This allowed in cochlear implant blogs over the past year. One early CI blog was booted off due to an undisclosed commercial connection to the industry. The controversy that caused and the controversy over allowing more CI blogs, their topics about mapping, surgery, experiences in hearing, and oral/aural discussions soon led to other topics about Deaf-on-deaf discrimination, discussions on allowing oral/aural topics, and HOH-centered blogs. As if that wasn't complicated enough, the sometimes unclear guidelines booted off enough d/Deaf contributors to cause resentment and questions about impartiality.

That caused many to feel that DeafRead had become overwhelmed by HOH and Hearing concerns. In Tayler's vision, he saw Deafread as bringing together diverse people into a community. I saw some of this happening already: some parents came forward to support Deaf Culture and express their appreciation of Deaf writers. Other parents exposed discrimination against their kids because they wore CIs. Many HOH and oral deaf shared about being rejected in the Deaf community. We needed to see that. Deaf responders answered to give them support. Some Deaf writers foresaw an atmosphere where everybody is accepted, no matter their language or living choices. Others jumped on them as being too oral in thinking or too Deaf-culturist. A few wrote to blame the historic AGBell for causing this division. The results were indeed mixed.

In the view of this blogger, Tayler's vision might be difficult to achieve--not because people are so diverse, but because of lack of time for reading all these wildly diverse opinions. It also seemed that blogs sparked more blogs of a similar nature...oralist blogs breeding more oralist blogs, not settling at all well with those who had sensitivity from past abuse. So...the pendulum began to swing toward more oral/aural/CI/Hearing concerns. Some might say "just hide those bloggers." That is no answer when individual bloggers write on a variety of topics.

Tayler, if you are reading this, I hope you'll consider either swinging the pendulum back to a Deaf Culture orientation or starting DeafSide in earnest.
Or perhaps splitting DeafRead into two areas--one for the medical model and hearing technologies, and one for the Deaf-centric topics.

Diversity and Specialization

The internet and the magazine stands offer great diversity. You will see magazines specializing in tastes aimed at specific reader groups.  There are magazines devoted to home handymen, novice computer users, working mothers, photographers, sewing and quilters, travel in the Northeastern United States, dog shows, weightlifters, and even sailboaters.  Go to the bigger magazine displays in bookstores and you will see even narrower specialties such as Photoshop, gun collecting, computer modding and pregnancy.  The number of generalist magazines (consider the many that have died over the years) are the same in both stores: just half a dozen.

Don G's announcement of a new cultural blog aggregator might be a response to the widening generalization of DeafRead. Another blog, DeafVillage originated from the booting off of the first CI blog and now offers another "generalist" aggregator with a much greater emphasis on CI blogs. It advertises itself as an anything-accepted, "safe" blogsite. To read it, however, one gets a feeling it is more of a parent-centered, medically oriented aggregator--in truth, a specialized one.

It is time for specialization to come on stage. Deaf Culture is a widely accepted concept that people are still trying to describe, define in different ways and has many different expressions, so it is worthy of an entire aggregator in itself. Whether Don G's aggregator or DeafSide comes on board, or both, it will be an admirable addition to cyberspace and an illuminating resource for parents.  In each, I hope there will be an editorial board to screen blogs for the best the Deaf community has to offer. In their editorial policies, individual bloggers could also be advised to screen their respondents to keep it that way.

One criticism in the past was that such a concept is discriminatory.  Exclusivist. Maybe even elitist. This is missing the point, because a cultural showcase such as this is intended for expression of a little-seen aspect of humanity, not as an exclusion...there are many generalist and diverging places on the internet and magazine stand for all the others. DeafRead's general aggregator could have tabs for linking to the other websites and not be threatened at all by their competition. How about it, Tayler?
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Good article.

Use DeafRead Hide to turn DeafRead into your own specialized aggregator. Instead of centralizing the decison-making of who belongs and who doesn't belong to a chosen few - we decided to provide this functionality to empower you to make your own decision about what you want to learn and discuss. The deaf community is too diverse and it is impossible to make everyone happy. This is democracy in its truest sense.

To do otherwise would be an attempt to gain power.
Posted 9/22/2009 3:33 PM by taylerade - reply

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Hi Dianrez,

If I remember correctly, the concept "Deaf Side" was floated and Tayler sought out volunteers, but nobody volunteered.

Anyway, most of what you wrote was covered by myself over a year ago here: http://blog.deafread.com/iwii/archives/30

No aggregator will ever please everyone, it is IMPOSSIBLE. All anyone can do is offer the option of filtering out content and that is what DeafRead/DVTV has offered.

It will be really interesting to see what happens when someone goes over to the "new aggregator" and offers up an anti-D vlog.

Personally, I think audism has a place in a deaf aggregator, it is a very relevant topic to the deaf world. What should be banned is audism specifically directed to a single person in the form of a personal attack.

Nonetheless, Deafread/DVTV both are really representative of the deaf community at large whether we all like it or not.
Posted 9/22/2009 4:01 PM by TheOriginalJJ - reply

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JJ Puorro is speaking from experience. He was once a DeafRead moderator so he knows firsthand what it is like.

Actually three "panelists" were chosen for DeafSide, but none of them came through on their duties. Two of them were Jeff "TheDeafJeff" Roberts and John Egbert, who they themselves came forth to volunteer. We very much wanted to give this three-person panel the direction over DeafSide and was disappointed that they did not keep their end of the commitment. Maybe they wanted the aggregator, but wasn't willing to put action behind their words.

It is without question that DeafSide could be easily brought back, with the combined technical expertise between me and Jared. In fact, if the three-person panel did their part, DeafSide would have been humming in existence for more than a year now.

Bear in mind, we weren't firm on the name, "DeafSide". We also have the domain names "DeafLens" and "DeafThat". We even engineered it so that DeafSide and DeafLens worked on the same site. How far do we need to bend to try to make everyone happy?
Posted 9/22/2009 5:36 PM by taylerade - reply

Diane,

I wonder how hearing parents of deaf children viewing a new ASL Deaf-centric aggregator are going to perceive the positive side of Deaf culture that wants to promote ASL and bilingualism for deaf children? Many vloggers already don't provide transcripts or captioning of their vlogs on DR/ DVTV, and do you think this new site will be any different? To date, transcripts or captioning is optional on most deaf aggregators, and many vloggers choose not to, which doesn't bode well for Deaf culture, considering that 90% of deaf children are born to hearing parents according to statistics.

If there were readily available and cheap software for ASL-English translation purposes, would vloggers in an ASL Deaf-centric aggregator use it? I wonder about that one. If ASL Deaf really mean to promote their language and their culture, they need to step up to the plate and set an example of putting their words/signs where they mean it on the internet.

Ann_C
Posted 9/22/2009 7:14 PM by Ann_C (site) - reply

Thank you so much for publishing this, Diane.

I was absolutely baffled that people would want to read DeafRead. I am even sure why they would want to. I can understand the frustration of seeing CI blogs and others, however those are topics that are very much true in the world. I just learned to ignore those types of blogs. I means if the Deaf bloggers leave, then it would give the readers a myoptic view of the deaf community. I can only hope the DeafRead Hide will ease the tension.

Have fun,

Dave
Posted 9/22/2009 10:56 PM by souggy (site) - reply

Er... First sentence should be "I was absolutely baffled why people would want to leave DeafRead." My apology.
Posted 9/22/2009 11:09 PM by souggy (site) - reply

Hi D-Rez --

Good article, as usual.  I was actually thinking this morning about the new aggregator that I am working on trying to get set up (hopefully very soon), and the criticism about "diversity" and "elitism" that you pointed out right toward the end.  And then it came to me what the perfect answer is....

To borrow John Egbert's analogy about PC and Mac, Mac does not need to advertise the pros of PCs.  They may mention PCs, but they will usually do it in a way to show why Macs are better than PCs.  There is nothing requiring them to advertise for PCs.  So same goes for our Deaf center.  There are a lot of places where the Hearing/audist/medical/younameit perspective can be found, but almost no place where we can find a strongly Deaf-centered perspective.  Even DeafRead and DVTV is muddled, with the "anybody who is deaf (lack of capitalization intended here) can participate" model.  In my aggregator, we want only Deaf-centric v/bloggers -- those who respect, love and cherish natural signed languages and our Deaf culture and communities. 

I do personally agree with you that the v/bloggers in our aggregator SHOULD caption or otherwise make their v/blogs accessible to the Hearing and non-signing world, so our message CAN get out (which is why I have always done so with my vlogs), but I know first-hand how time-consuming captioning/transcripts are, so this is not something that can be forced on them, although I hope they will do so for the reasons you and I have outlined. 

BTW, you (D-Rez) will be more than welcome to join our aggregator -- I do respect you and even when I disagree with your conclusions, I do know that you are Deaf-centric in that you cherish ASL and our Deaf culture. 

Posted 9/23/2009 12:37 AM by Don G. (site) - reply

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Tayler cannot go around and claim that DeafRead/DVTV is democracy in its truest form. It is not. He banned me and few others based on his ridiculous views.

Let's face the truth: Joey Baer was right all along in the first place.

It is time for a new aggregator -- the one that will fit our needs.

Great article, Dianrez.

Cheers,

R-
Posted 9/23/2009 2:56 AM by ridor - reply

It makes me wonder very much of the future of DeafRead. The quality of DeafRead has gone down because everyone joins Ridor (Ricky Taylor). Ridor is a caustic person. He loves to bash and border up to the side of libeling another person of whomever he crosses to hate. What happens when the day he get caught in a major lawsuit? I'm not willing to find out. When he was on Deaf Read, people came to DeafRead in droves. It was only to read Ridor's blog alone.

 It put deafread in a position of RISK, legal risk, of allowing Ridor unrestricted fun, including doing the DeafRead blog awards which Ridor has taken most of them. Maybe Ridor should return those awards to the rightful people who deserve them.

By the time every other aggregator site has come up, it's a ridor free site and people flock towards it. By the time DeafRead finally realized they were losing thier supports and readers because of Ridor's tirades, they had no choice but to muzzle him for good. But it was too late as the damage was done to DeafRead. When Ridor announced his departure, he took a majority of the readers and bloggers with him.

What's left of deafread? It's dying. It needs quality help and retention of good bloggers and vloggers.

  Diane, you are surrounded by wonderful people (except Ridor). Let's face it. Keep the good people around you.

If Taylor Media had controlled Ridor back in 2006. It might have been very different and vibrant site already. But given how ridor is so powerful and popular in other places, it's no wonder that one day, someone is going to do something about him.  I hope and pray that Ridor changes his ways before it's too late.

P.S.  if ridor goes into a tirade here too,  then diane.. I'll ask deafread to drop you too.

Posted 9/23/2009 9:06 AM by Anonymous - reply

@taylerade - This is in response to your first comment.

To be honest, Tayler...  I have less of a problem with DeafRead than I do with DVTV... ironically.  As I mentioned in my Diseased Tree at DVTV vlog, there are issues that concern me there.   These issues aren't as great at DVTV.  We don't see homophobic, racist nor sexist v/blogs or comments at DeafRead... at least not that I am aware of.  Audism is a serious issue at both sites, for sure. 

Many culturally Deaf people feel crowded out on DeafRead with so many CI and audio-centric blogs that they no longer feel at home at a website, which was originally built for the Deaf community.  You mention the DeafRead Hide button.  It doesn't work on my PC (though it does on my Mac).  I did not want to hide any blogs because then I would not have an idea of what DeafRead actually looks like.  I would have had a skewed view of what was happening on DeafRead.  True democracy? Or is it putting on blinders?

You know, it's funny.  If I had used DeafRead Hide, then I would not have that many Deafcentric blogs/vlogs to view because many of them have gone inactive.  The disappearance of such bloggers/vloggers says volumes, doesn't it?

Shel

Posted 9/23/2009 5:25 PM by Shel - reply

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Appreciate your input, folks, and especially Tayler and JJ for your comments. DeafRead is evolving and people certainly have their ideas as to where it should go--they have a personal feeling of ownership despite DeafRead being the property of its creators. That's healthy, for people to be part of a living entity and to want to keep it that way.

Hopefully these ideas will become part of DeafRead/DeafVideo soon and attract more cultural blogs. Those of us who are left need to contribute more as it will attract newcomers to add their own.

As for the few who have been booted off mostly for personal attacks or unwarranted libelous statements, let us review them and communicate with them to see if they are willing to moderate their writings in the future. Certainly they aren't the first to write with a poison pen...we have had muckraking writers, yellow journalists and today's writers such as Matt Drudge, Nancy Grace and Perez Hilton. They will exist in cyberspace, but don't have to be included in aggregators with the proper guidelines and the ability to enforce them.

Now, for my role. Since this is my blog, I have the responsibility to see that responders don't attack persons but only the issues. I'm leaving in Ridor's comment above because it attacks no one and addresses an issue. However, Anonymous is clearly violating one principle: not to attack persons, when he attacks Ridor. I'm leaving in Anonymous because it is an example, but will tolerate no more. And, Anonymous, don't threaten me as you did in the last sentence. That alone can get you banned from this blog.
Posted 9/23/2009 5:38 PM by dianrez - reply

By the way, Dianrez... your article was thoughtful and well-written.  I appreciated it!  As for the timer, I find myself swearing to use it time and time again. ;)

As for the need for specialized aggregates and websites, I could not agree more.  I liked your analogy of specialized magazines tailored for specific customers/clientele.  It struck a chord in me.  Cries of exclusivism will come, for sure, but as we see, there are gym centres for women only.  In Canada, there are exclusive clubs for various ethnic groups.  There are no cries of exclusivity because it's multiculturalism in action.  

To cry "Diversity!" in an attempt to force inclusiveness would never work, but only serve to alienate people who hold different perspectives. Can you imagine telling members of Greek-Canadian, Croatian-Canadian, Iraqi-Canadian clubs that they MUST include Canadians of "diverse" backgrounds into their clubs which are safe havens for ethnic groups? 

Yet, that was what happened in DeafRead... Deaf people protested the increasing number of  audio-centric blogging, all to no avail.  We now see the result, and now we are doing something about the need of specialized websites. 

The rise of different websites with their OWN principles in response to what's happening here IS true democracy. 

Shel

Posted 9/23/2009 5:40 PM by shel - reply

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True, Shel. Having lived in Canada myself for ten years, I am familiar with that country's multiculturalism and the mosaic of ethnic groups that congregate together similar to what Deaf people do in their own club.

It is typically American to think of ourselves as a "melting pot", in which we see ourselves as melting together into one red, white and blue alloy.

Canadians prefer to see themselves as a "mosaic" where many different colors, textures and cements are assembled into a beautiful overall picture, but the pieces retain their individual characteristics.

Perhaps DeafRead is trying to be a melting pot when it should look into being a mosaic (of grouped-together) colors and flavors of deafdom? Good idea, Shel!
Posted 9/23/2009 5:49 PM by dianrez - reply

TYPO in my response to Tayler!

As I mentioned in my Diseased Tree at DVTV vlog, there are issues that concern me there.   These issues aren't as great at DVTV.  We don't see homophobic, racist nor sexist v/blogs or comments at DeafRead... at least not that I am aware of.

I meant to say: These issues aren't as great at DeafRead... but instead it came out DVTV. 

Sorry for the confusion.

Shel

Posted 9/23/2009 10:18 PM by Shel (site) - reply

Shel had it right!!! She said..."If I had used DeafRead Hide, then I would not have that many Deafcentric blogs/vlogs to view because many of them have gone inactive. The disappearance of such bloggers/vloggers says volumes, doesn't it?" Tayler please read this. Hiding blogs or vlogs don't really help!

I have started using youtube more and more subscribing to Deaf-centered vlogs. We do not need to give Deafvideo.tv hits.

We are still waiting for Deaf-centered aggregrator.

Dianarez, you are right we are overwhelmed by HOH and hearing (and CI) concerns. They have different concerns than us. We have LIFE and do not need to discuss mapping and all that!

Audism is real for us.

Thanks, Dianarez for an excellent article. Hope Tayler listens to what you have to say. He tends not to listen. If he doesnt listen to you, do not take it personally.
Posted 9/24/2009 6:15 AM by JD - reply

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@dianrez - 

DianRez: Thank you for saying that my comment was on the issue. I appreciate this very much. I also appreciate that you did not remove the "anonymous" commentator to show hir true colors. It is amusing to note that the anonymous commentator also added "(Ricky Taylor)" rather than to address me as Ridor here in cyberspace. It is their way of intimidating me in some capacity.

I shall respond to the "allegations" by anonymous to defend myself without insulting anyone else in particular and meanwhile, stay on the topic.

DianRez, you are absolutely correct about Matt Drudge, Perez Hilton and so on. It is evident that you're familiar with the blogosphere out there. However, when I was banned from DVTV and subsequently from DR, there was never a warning prior to the removal of my vlogs. Nothing, nada, zilch, zero and none. I had to email the owner to follow up with what's going on. AT first, I though it was a malfunction but afterward, it was clearly a ban. Which is fine with me. Much later, I found out from a friend that my blogs had been removed from DeafRead mainly because several editors hated me with a passion (which is fine with me) but the courtesy is to notify the bloggers that their blogs were removed from this, that and there, right? I never knew until a friend told me. I emailed Jared Evans for a follow-up which he confirmed.

I never had the need for DeafRead and DeafVideo. In fact, I encouraged them to prosper when it first came on the national scene. Because I wanted Deaf bloggers/vloggers to dream big.

The pattern was: There was a lack of respect nor communication among the owner/editors toward the ones that disagreed with them the most. That was the large reason why they attempted to silence me by banning me. Not working at all.

Then it was entirely up to the readers/viewers to see the pattern of the owner's antics. I was slandered incessantly but I waited because I knew this'd come out eventually. Somehow, somewhere, someone would see the true colors of what is wrong with DR and DVTV. The result is that many bloggers/vloggers left.

To say that I was the "leader" is preposterous. They left on their own after seeing what was happening throughout the DVTV and DR.

Again, thanks!

R-
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Anonymous: I'll address your few points. I do not slander anyone else in particular. I made it clear to the readers/viewers that I do my homework. I collect information. I even contacted the person(s) whom I wrote/vlogged about. Some chose not to respond. Some did. I screen the information to ensure that I protect myself from slander and libel lawsuits. So for you to go around making an unfounded accusation on me, that is not fair.

As for Deaf Blog Awards, DeafRead did not establish it. I was the founder of Deaf Blog Awards and in 2006, I turned this over to DeafRead under good faith that Tayler & Jared would carry it for years to come. I was wrong. Tayler & Jared failed to continue this on good faith that I requested them to. I intend to take it back and give it the newest deaf-centric aggregator!

Don't believe me about establishing the blog awards? Check www.2005deafblogawards.blogspot.com.

Yes, I won the awards because people voted. And they are just paperless awards. It is all about bragging rights and recognitions. Taking it away from me? I let the readers/viewers decide for themselves.

But the bottom line is that DeafRead and DeafVideo has been shuffling its positions on many things to a point where it confuse and discourage them from following them. Like it or not, Deaf people are very simple people. They like to stick with one thing for ... a long time. And I rarely stick with one thing and they liked it. Nothing you can do about it, really.

R-
Posted 9/24/2009 12:14 PM by ridor - reply

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Hello Ms. Diane,
You made your site simple yet elegant. The pictures are a nice touch. I see that you have a wide variety of interests and observations here!
I’m sending an important message to people from Jehovah God that is in the Bible: 15 I will pour out my vengeance on all the nations that refuse to obey me." (Micah 5:15) (NLT)

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